Torishima Thinks DB Super Is Weak… Do You Agree?

[CiderHype]

Kazuhiko Torishima, Toriyama’s old editor, just went off on Dragon Ball Super and Daima. He called Toyotarou’s manga “bad,” blasted the editing, said a Vegeta story would’ve been better, and straight-up called Daima a “sh***y anime.”

Coming from the guy who helped shape the original series, that’s… a lot.

Do you agree, or is this just old-school bitterness talking?

 

[SegaDude113]

Dragon Ball Super has no impact. It makes no sense. Everyone acts out of character. Bad guys get reused and it's not even exciting. Everyone gets color swaps and that's about it. Nothing about it feels more powerful like with the new transformations. I'm sorry if all my posts seem negative, i've got a lot to complain about at the moment and i need to vet. lol

 

[alexj-12]

Dragon Ball Super has no impact. It makes no sense. Everyone acts out of character. Bad guys get reused and it's not even exciting. Everyone gets color swaps and that's about it. Nothing about it feels more powerful like with the new transformations. I'm sorry if all my posts seem negative, i've got a lot to complain about at the moment and i need to vet. lol

Yeah, I get what you mean. DBS does feel like it’s coasting a lot of the time and none of the big moments really land like the originals. Still, a few flashes are fun if you squint hard enough. Vent away though, Dragon Ball complaining is practically a sport at this point

 

[ChrisSawin]

I like Super. Beerus is me of my favorite characters and the Goku Black arc is fantastic. It’s not nearly as good as Z, but enjoyable nevertheless.

 

[Zack]

When they could write a new and better evil overlord persona, they HAD to bring Frieza back stead sigh

 

[ChrisSawin]

When they could write a new and better evil overlord persona, they HAD to bring Frieza back stead sigh

Any time they want to come back around to Uub being such a powerful fighter would be great. New villains would be nice too instead of evolutions of old villains. I think that’s why adapting the later chapter of the Super manga is such a pipedream for fans.

 

[Zack]

Any time they want to come back around to Uub being such a powerful fighter would be great. New villains would be nice too instead of evolutions of old villains. I think that’s why adapting the later chapter of the Super manga is such a pipedream for fans.

Poor Uub’s been training off-screen for like two decades now - dude has prolly mastered Ultra Instinct by accident and nobody noticed.

 

[Zack]

Dragon Ball keeps recycling power-ups and villains instead of expanding its world. Uub could’ve brought a whole new dynamic - human origins, spiritual power, maybe even a grounded contrast to the god-tier chaos we’ve been stuck in. The potential with Uub has been sitting there for years, but they just keep circling back to nostalgia. Imagine if they actually built the story around him as the next generation’s key fighter, then it could’ve made Super feel like a true continuation instead of a loop.

 

[ChrisSawin]

Dragon Ball keeps recycling power-ups and villains instead of expanding its world. Uub could’ve brought a whole new dynamic - human origins, spiritual power, maybe even a grounded contrast to the god-tier chaos we’ve been stuck in. The potential with Uub has been sitting there for years, but they just keep circling back to nostalgia. Imagine if they actually built the story around him as the next generation’s key fighter, then it could’ve made Super feel like a true continuation instead of a loop.

To be fair, Toriyama was involved with that. So I’m wondering if that will change when and if they continue the Super manga, a second season of Daima, or anything else that pops up in the future.

Or just make Cooler canon already.

 

[Zack]

To be fair, Toriyama was involved with that. So I’m wondering if that will change when and if they continue the Super manga, a second season of Daima, or anything else that pops up in the future.

Or just make Cooler canon already.

True, Toriyama was still calling some of the shots, and pulling a few strings behind the curtain, so it’s hard to tell how much was nostalgia vs. his personal touch. I do hope if they keep going, they actually turn over a new leaf instead of just polishing the same old formula. Cooler would be a solid pick though - he’s got that mix of class and menace that could really shake things up if written right. At this point, I just wanna see fresh blood in the universe - new threats, new mythologies, maybe even new kinds of fighters that don’t revolve around Saiyan power creep. Dragon Ball’s world is massive, but they barely scratch the surface anymore. Dragon Ball’s world is vast, yet they’ve only scratched the surface. The story once revolved around adventure, discovery, and the wonder of the Dragon Balls - now it’s mostly just Saiyan slugfests. Honestly, they should rename it Saiyan Balls at this point, lol. The original Dragon Ball nailed every shounen archetype before the genre even knew itself - pure charm, heart, and adventure done right.

 

[ChrisSawin]

True, Toriyama was still calling some of the shots, and pulling a few strings behind the curtain, so it’s hard to tell how much was nostalgia vs. his personal touch. I do hope if they keep going, they actually turn over a new leaf instead of just polishing the same old formula. Cooler would be a solid pick though - he’s got that mix of class and menace that could really shake things up if written right. At this point, I just wanna see fresh blood in the universe - new threats, new mythologies, maybe even new kinds of fighters that don’t revolve around Saiyan power creep. Dragon Ball’s world is massive, but they barely scratch the surface anymore. Dragon Ball’s world is vast, yet they’ve only scratched the surface. The story once revolved around adventure, discovery, and the wonder of the Dragon Balls - now it’s mostly just Saiyan slugfests. Honestly, they should rename it Saiyan Balls at this point, lol. The original Dragon Ball nailed every shounen archetype before the genre even knew itself - pure charm, heart, and adventure done right.

Yeah that’s the main reason I love the original Dragon Ball series so much. It’s a good balance of everything. The adventure aspect of it all and the way nearly every character had the opportunity to shine early on was so fun. Anybody could have been the strongest back then. Super and Daima had shades of the original Dragon Ball at first, which was exciting. But they both became something that was more familiar than refreshing.

 

[Zack]

Yeah that’s the main reason I love the original Dragon Ball series so much. It’s a good balance of everything. The adventure aspect of it all and the way nearly every character had the opportunity to shine early on was so fun. Anybody could have been the strongest back then. Super and Daima had shades of the original Dragon Ball at first, which was exciting. But they both became something that was more familiar than refreshing.

Fair. Back then, everyone's got their spotlight. In Z, when Tori-sensei decided to have Tien briefly appear and fight Majin Buu, I thought we're going to have the "balance from the original" back, but, alas, it was very short and more of an interruption than a full fight. He confronted and blocked Majin Buu’s attack with his Qigong Cannon, but he was quickly defeated afterward. It was more of a heroic moment of intervention than a full-fledged fight. And then I thought Gohan was supposed to beat Buu, but the ending of Z, I guess, was one of the most epic arcs ever in shounen history.